Around the Homestead Podcast Tree Care and Maintenance – Part 2 Transcript 1 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:20,660 Welcome to around the Homestead podcast, where we share information on topics from gardens to goats, 2 00:00:20,660 --> 00:00:29,330 our aim is to provide small farmers and landowners valuable education on projects that may arise around the homestead. 3 00:00:29,330 --> 00:00:34,460 Whether you have been on the homestead all your life or you had just began the farm lifestyle, 4 00:00:34,460 --> 00:00:39,440 we hope you garner helpful tips to make your lifestyle most rewarding. 5 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:50,210 Now here are our host Brad McGinley and Shaun Rhodes. Well, hello, and welcome to the round, the Homestead podcast. 6 00:00:50,210 --> 00:00:56,540 Good to have you back with us for our second episode and a three part series on tree care and maintenance. 7 00:00:56,540 --> 00:01:04,850 Today, we're going to continue our discussion with Mr. Carol Guffey, retired Extension Foster and Grant County Master Gardener. 8 00:01:04,850 --> 00:01:08,960 We've been talking about tree pruning in our last episode. 9 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,230 And Carol, today we're going to talk a little bit about tree planting, 10 00:01:12,230 --> 00:01:17,060 and I really want to start off with just the basics here, like we did with pruning. 11 00:01:17,060 --> 00:01:26,790 Really, what is the best time of year to plant a tree? Well, you know, it kind of gets back to exactly what we're talking about the the pruning. 12 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:33,350 You know, if I had to pick a month to plant trees, it would probably be March, you know, February, February, March and January. 13 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:39,540 OK. But. You know, if you can get those trees that are pretty well, 14 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:45,960 that are dormant and you put them in the ground and in March and we start getting some rains and warm weather, 15 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:50,190 I mean, they hit, they hit the ground running. They just they start putting down roots and start growing. 16 00:01:50,190 --> 00:01:55,950 So again, you can, depending on the type tree that you have, you can play it year round. 17 00:01:55,950 --> 00:02:02,670 But most of our trees are bare root, and we can talk a little bit more about that in a little while if you want to. 18 00:02:02,670 --> 00:02:06,720 But most of them are our bare root, so we want to plan them when they're dormant, 19 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:14,340 when they don't have leaves on them and when they're shut down and they're just kind of hibernating more or less, 20 00:02:14,340 --> 00:02:22,260 then that's the best time to plant them. But now if you have if you have trees in containers that are container grown or grown in a 21 00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:27,150 nursery where they're lifted and brought out to your site and you peel back the same day, 22 00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:36,270 you know you can plant about any time. If it didn't grow and see the trees have a much more of a problem getting moisture. 23 00:02:36,270 --> 00:02:42,270 So you have to really water them a lot more for if you plan them winter when you're actively growing. 24 00:02:42,270 --> 00:02:45,840 But again, if I had my choice, you know, February, 25 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:54,470 March would be would be the the two months that I that I picked, you know, to do most of my tree planting. 26 00:02:54,470 --> 00:03:04,040 Yeah, and I think the most important thing that I wanted to bring up as far as planting trees that would get a lot of times is, you know, 27 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:10,910 choosing the right tree for the right site because I know you and I have gone 28 00:03:10,910 --> 00:03:14,210 out and we'll talk a little bit here in a little bit about some tree issues. 29 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:18,470 I know you went out and looked at a lot of trees last year that were dying 30 00:03:18,470 --> 00:03:26,940 and some of that was just simply, you know, a factor of the wrong tree being in the wrong place. 31 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:36,990 You know, something like that. And so what are some factors that we need to think about when we're we're choosing a tree? 32 00:03:36,990 --> 00:03:45,000 Well, yeah, that is one of the biggest problems that I've seen through my career is not having the right tree for the right place. 33 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:52,590 And you know, we love our trees and we want to, you know, we want that beautiful shade tree in our yard. 34 00:03:52,590 --> 00:04:00,060 But invariably somebody is going to plant a tree that wants to be 40 foot tall under an 18 foot power line. 35 00:04:00,060 --> 00:04:05,610 And then then we're mad at the tree companies because they come in and have to prune that. 36 00:04:05,610 --> 00:04:12,090 So again? Remember, don't just look at what kind of flowers a tree has on it or what. 37 00:04:12,090 --> 00:04:21,170 You know how pretty it is and in the, you know, in a container that are sitting in the parking lot at the big box store or whatever. 38 00:04:21,170 --> 00:04:26,970 Do a little research and see how tall that tree wants to be and. 39 00:04:26,970 --> 00:04:34,410 Is that going to fit your purpose, you know, in 20 years? Is that is that little one inch tree that you planted now in 20 years 40 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:38,060 It's going to be 40 foot pole and it's going to be. 41 00:04:38,060 --> 00:04:44,480 Impacting the power line, or maybe you plant a tree that you want to shade tree, you think, well, it. 42 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:50,870 I'd like to have a nice oak out here about 20 foot from my house, but that tree wants to be 100 foot tall. 43 00:04:50,870 --> 00:05:00,770 And in 20 years, it's starting to impact your house, the foundation, the roof or your concrete patio or something like that. 44 00:05:00,770 --> 00:05:09,320 So again, did a little research and think about that and think about what the tree is going to be like when it's mature because nobody 45 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:15,260 wants 100 foot tall tree 20 feet away from their house because the land is going to be following the house and and again, 46 00:05:15,260 --> 00:05:21,950 eventually somebody is going to have to deal with that problem. So just keep that in mind. 47 00:05:21,950 --> 00:05:31,880 Some of the other things that if you're building a house, building a new house, some some of the work that you do as part of building. 48 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:40,290 That's the most problem that I've seen in my career is is soil compaction and changing up the way you know, 49 00:05:40,290 --> 00:05:46,580 we we want to go out and build a house right out in the middle of the forest and keep all the trees around it. 50 00:05:46,580 --> 00:05:51,950 But then we change the drainage and then we drive. We put a waterline in and then we put electric line in. 51 00:05:51,950 --> 00:05:59,390 And pretty soon we've done a lot of root damage. So or we change the drainage especially, oaks, they don't work. 52 00:05:59,390 --> 00:06:03,170 They don't like water in the summertime. They can tolerate water this time of year. 53 00:06:03,170 --> 00:06:07,070 But you know white oak doesn't want to have water on it all summer long. 54 00:06:07,070 --> 00:06:13,640 So some of the things that we do when we're building our houses is affecting the trees, 55 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,590 and it may be a better thing to come in and remove a few more trees knowing that 56 00:06:18,590 --> 00:06:21,800 they're probably going to die in four or five years anyways and then come back. 57 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:28,550 And after we're done with her with our construction plant, new trees, we're where we want in the rat tree. 58 00:06:28,550 --> 00:06:32,360 There's going to tolerate the conditions that we've created by bringing in 59 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:40,040 fill dirt and pouring concrete and putting asphalt down and things like that. 60 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,150 You know, one thing on that, I guess this is more of an issue, Carol, 61 00:06:44,150 --> 00:06:52,670 but a lot of people don't understand the long term effects of things on terms that I have found. 62 00:06:52,670 --> 00:06:56,330 You know, it's it's hard for people to get their head around. 63 00:06:56,330 --> 00:07:00,930 Something that happened five years ago might be what's affecting this tree now. 64 00:07:00,930 --> 00:07:03,380 Oh, and you're exactly right, Shaun. 65 00:07:03,380 --> 00:07:13,190 You know, I've I've went to a lot of tree calls in my career where we have a new subdivision and the builder says, and you know, they're not again. 66 00:07:13,190 --> 00:07:18,210 They build houses. They're not tree care professionals. So they say, you know, we can do that. 67 00:07:18,210 --> 00:07:22,700 We can put this water waterline here and we put this gas line and we can put this driveway in. 68 00:07:22,700 --> 00:07:30,230 It's not going to affect the trees. And you come back in five years and look at the subdivision and almost every tree 69 00:07:30,230 --> 00:07:34,520 is dead because they've come in as part of their part of their construction. 70 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:40,880 They'll come in with the bulldozers and scrape away a lot of the topsoil and move, move some of the the branches down. 71 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:47,510 And and, you know, open up this this site down to the bare earth, which is good for building a house. 72 00:07:47,510 --> 00:07:54,410 But these tree roots that only 100 foot tree that we were talking about earlier, those tree roots probably go out 300 feet. 73 00:07:54,410 --> 00:08:00,950 Yeah. So anything that you do on that side is affecting a lot of the different trees and in like, say, 74 00:08:00,950 --> 00:08:07,170 trees are long live so they can tolerate for a few years some damage and still stay in there. 75 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:14,300 But you come back in five years, and that's when you really see the construction damage starting to take place. 76 00:08:14,300 --> 00:08:20,810 And I've seen this entire subdivisions where every tree finally after four or five years, 77 00:08:20,810 --> 00:08:26,390 they all finally succumb to all the work that's been done in the initial site clearing. 78 00:08:26,390 --> 00:08:34,220 And the builders say, Well, that's not me. You know, that was five years ago. I built that house, but it actually probably is, you know? 79 00:08:34,220 --> 00:08:42,000 Yeah. Related to that. Yeah. 80 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:53,490 That's a good point, Carol. You know, also thinking about choosing trees, you know, try to avoid those trees that are weak. 81 00:08:53,490 --> 00:09:00,060 I know we bought our house and we had a big ole Bradford pear tree and the, you know, in our side yard. 82 00:09:00,060 --> 00:09:03,270 And it's kind of like Johnny Cash one piece at a time. 83 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:11,640 You know, this ever storm takes off two or three limbs, you know, and now it's nothing but just to stalk and going to have to take it out, you know? 84 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:17,100 Yeah, I mean, of course, in a tree care profession, we don't like Bradford pears. 85 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:23,070 I mean, again, I'm sorry, that hurts somebody feeling they're beautiful, you know, when they're full bloom. 86 00:09:23,070 --> 00:09:29,850 But the joke in a tree care profession is, how do you prove to Bradford pears like six inches above the ground? 87 00:09:29,850 --> 00:09:34,440 You know, you practice, you print it off and you put another tree, a better tree in there. 88 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:43,380 But you know, again, that's that's that's that's one of those things that you as a homeowner need to realize 89 00:09:43,380 --> 00:09:49,140 is do a little research and their extension has some some information on their website. 90 00:09:49,140 --> 00:09:54,480 But there's a lot of different information I'm looking at at putting the right tree in the right place. 91 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,900 And and, you know, if you all know treated with white flowers, you know, 92 00:09:57,900 --> 00:10:05,070 you can find that and you can find one that only grows six foot tall instead of one that's going to grow twenty five foot tall. 93 00:10:05,070 --> 00:10:14,220 So again, do a little research and find out what kind of tree tolerate or what kind of conditions you have, 94 00:10:14,220 --> 00:10:22,890 and make sure that the tree tolerates that. Because again, you don't want to put a tree like a Bradford pear or even like a silver maple. 95 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:28,080 Some of those trees or a willow, you know those are beautiful growing trees, 96 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:36,180 but you don't want them were the the impact from broken branches and splitting trees will affect you because again, 97 00:10:36,180 --> 00:10:39,990 that's their that's the way they grow. Bradford Pear. 98 00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:47,340 If you were to really do a lot of try to maintain it the way it needs to be, you would take all the forks out every year. 99 00:10:47,340 --> 00:10:53,220 And again, that's what Bradford pears do. They go up about three foot tall and fork, and they go up another two foot and fork. 100 00:10:53,220 --> 00:10:59,940 And you know, all it is is a bunch of forks, and you would really take those out if you were pruning a tree properly. 101 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:08,950 So again, this their growth habit is it lends itself to these ice storms are terrible, and in the spring, the wind storms are just terrible on 102 00:11:08,950 --> 00:11:17,340 Bradford pears. And again, that's why we don't like them, because any time a branch drips down in the springtime, it's going to injure the trunk. 103 00:11:17,340 --> 00:11:24,040 And then again, you're going to have decay. So it it just compounds the problem. 104 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:31,870 Yeah. Literally, the one that we have is it's just a big stalk left out just because in five years, 105 00:11:31,870 --> 00:11:38,530 it's just, you know, it's just come off one piece at a time. Yeah, you know that that's just the way they function. 106 00:11:38,530 --> 00:11:40,600 You know, that's their growth habit. 107 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:49,450 And and again, by going there only per day for about a week anyway out of the year when they're blooming and if a frost comes in, 108 00:11:49,450 --> 00:11:56,900 that knocked them all off. So. Yeah, that's true. Sometimes you might just get a day or two, and that's the only time people really notice the rest. 109 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:02,080 You know, I out there in the yard, but that one week, you know, they're there. 110 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,130 They are absolutely beautiful. But you're right, Carol. 111 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:16,900 We do have a lot of great resources. I would encourage people to go to our website, which is uaex.uada.edu 112 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:23,020 We have a great factsheet there by Dr. Jim Robbins is an extension horticulture specialist. 113 00:12:23,020 --> 00:12:31,660 He is called landscape trees for specific uses. And he goes through a lot of different, you know, common trees. 114 00:12:31,660 --> 00:12:36,580 And yeah, he has the size, you know, the mature size of each one of those species. 115 00:12:36,580 --> 00:12:40,760 And he also has some remarks about what color they are in the fall, 116 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:48,970 what kind of they have good blooms or are just a lot of great information for you for for that, 117 00:12:48,970 --> 00:12:58,900 you need to check out if you're thinking about planting trees. So, but you know, you talked earlier, Carol, about, you know, bare roots. 118 00:12:58,900 --> 00:13:06,880 So there's several different ways you can go buy tree, you know, bare root container grown, balled and burlap. 119 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,130 Let's talk a little bit about some of the differences between those and what's the 120 00:13:12,130 --> 00:13:19,090 right thing for each situation and just kind of the differences between those. 121 00:13:19,090 --> 00:13:23,500 OK, that's a good that's a good point, Brad. 122 00:13:23,500 --> 00:13:32,080 We really have three different types of trees. We have bare root, container grown and then balled and burlap. 123 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:38,050 Bare root is the most common. And if you look in at our forested land, you know, our our timber company lands, 124 00:13:38,050 --> 00:13:47,200 they're almost all planted with with bare root seedlings and all the plantations that you've seen that, you know, we're 40 years old and down. 125 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:53,410 They were all planted with bare root. So again, it's the most common and it works. 126 00:13:53,410 --> 00:13:58,420 It's the cheapest because, you know, the invariably the plants are smaller. 127 00:13:58,420 --> 00:14:05,890 We don't, you know, you don't have a 20 foot tall bare root tree, you know, you have a one foot two foot tall bare root tree. 128 00:14:05,890 --> 00:14:15,400 And what? Those trees are grown in a nursery and they're lifted when the trees are dormant, which is, you know, starting like in December, January. 129 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:21,730 And then they're they're packed different ways, you know, they're there. 130 00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:23,890 Sometimes if you're talking about a, you know, 131 00:14:23,890 --> 00:14:31,240 you can buy thousands of pine trees and they're going to be packed in a bag or a box if you're talking about an individual tree. 132 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:41,140 A lot of times they're shipped to you and they'll be wrapped in in a bag, maybe with some type of medium that keeps the roots moist. 133 00:14:41,140 --> 00:14:43,540 And then you as soon as you get them, 134 00:14:43,540 --> 00:14:53,680 you turn around and plant them on another another common that we see a lot in the spring or container grown, and you'll see, you know, 135 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,340 you'll go by your big box store or your farm supply store or something, 136 00:14:57,340 --> 00:15:04,450 and they'll be they'll be tree setting out in plastic, one gallon and five gallon containers out in front. 137 00:15:04,450 --> 00:15:08,420 And in most cases, that's container grown tree. 138 00:15:08,420 --> 00:15:15,180 Now I have occasionally will not occasionally regularly found trees that let you go about that, 139 00:15:15,180 --> 00:15:23,330 that big box store and and you get those trees, and when you pull them out, they're actually packed in mulch or some other medium. 140 00:15:23,330 --> 00:15:26,710 What what that is? That's a bare root tree. They dug that out. 141 00:15:26,710 --> 00:15:28,630 They put it in there and they packed it. 142 00:15:28,630 --> 00:15:37,420 And you're kind of thinking that that's a container grown tree, but it's not actually the containers, just the bag, you know, takes place of the bag. 143 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:40,060 It's what is holding the tree in there. 144 00:15:40,060 --> 00:15:52,120 And so a true container grown tree is a tree that's grown and it's planted in that container, and it's grown for a year or more in whatever container. 145 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,070 And you'll notice that when you pull it out, 146 00:15:54,070 --> 00:16:00,100 a lot of times the roots have kind of grown to the edge of that container and they've grown down or starting to grow around. 147 00:16:00,100 --> 00:16:04,480 So that's that's one of the things that you have to deal with. 148 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:10,240 But anyway, container grown trees are a little more costly than our bare root. 149 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:18,790 And again, that's probably that's the most common ones that you see at the big box stores or farms supply stores sitting out front in the spring, 150 00:16:18,790 --> 00:16:24,280 starting probably next month, you'll start seeing them sitting out. 151 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:32,130 Again, with this, you can get a little bit larger tree. You can get maybe a one to two inch diameter what we call a caliper, you know, 152 00:16:32,130 --> 00:16:41,080 the diameter of the tree at the ground level where you can get a one or two inch a bigger tree as opposed to maybe a half inch on our bare root trees. 153 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:43,330 Again, they are a little more expensive. 154 00:16:43,330 --> 00:16:52,840 And then finally, the balled burlap are the most expensive, and you can get trees, you know, six inches in diameter, even larger in some cases. 155 00:16:52,840 --> 00:17:00,790 But they are very expensive, and probably for most home owners, it's it's going to be too much of a chore to actually get that, 156 00:17:00,790 --> 00:17:06,520 at least for one person to get about a balled and burlap tree out of it into and out of a truck and into the ground. 157 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:13,150 But what happens is in the nursery, those trees are grown, they'll come in and dig up a root ball, 158 00:17:13,150 --> 00:17:18,430 you know, but they'll dig around that tree and create a pretty good sized root ball. 159 00:17:18,430 --> 00:17:22,360 They'll pick that up and set it in burlap and pull the burlap around it. 160 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:28,090 And then usually they'll put a wire cage around that to the hole that root ball together. 161 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:34,150 And then you move those to the site and you take the burlap off, 162 00:17:34,150 --> 00:17:42,310 at least down below ground level and you take all of the the wire cage off after you've put the tree in the hole. 163 00:17:42,310 --> 00:17:46,840 So again, that's the most expensive course. You can get a lot bigger tree, but it's very expensive. 164 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:56,140 And that's probably more for professional landscapers to use because again, you make a big show and you bring it a six inch tree and in over night, 165 00:17:56,140 --> 00:18:00,610 you know you've got a six inch tree where if you plant a bare root seedling, you've got over night, 166 00:18:00,610 --> 00:18:06,400 you've got a one foot tall tree and you've got an instant instant shade tree, almost of them balled and burlap. 167 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,360 But they are very expensive exactly what you're talking about thousands and thousands of dollars. 168 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:14,800 You know, the bigger the tree, the much more expensive when you're talking about bare root 169 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:22,690 being in some cases, you know, less than a dollar, you know, early or, you know, less than $10, for sure. 170 00:18:22,690 --> 00:18:30,260 And a container roll, you know, you're talking 10, 20, 30 dollars, depending on the size of the tree. 171 00:18:30,260 --> 00:18:39,620 Yeah. So let's talk about planting techniques next, you know, OK, so you've gone and decided you're going to get a tree. 172 00:18:39,620 --> 00:18:44,120 What's the proper way to actually plant this tree? 173 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:49,550 Well, it kind of depends on what kind of tree with it, with a bare root tree like, like if you buy , 174 00:18:49,550 --> 00:18:55,430 you know, a thousand pine trees and you're planning in your pasture for timber production. 175 00:18:55,430 --> 00:18:58,640 You know, they'll they'll take a small shovel or dibble, you know, 176 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:04,040 maybe eight inches and just make a slit where the brutal slide down in it and 177 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,970 close that upward where it's there's nowhere that can get to those roots. 178 00:19:07,970 --> 00:19:16,220 But if we're talking about a most trees, a container grown tree or even a bigger bare root tree, 179 00:19:16,220 --> 00:19:25,580 what we want to do is say, for example, we have a gallon pot, it's maybe a foot in diameter. 180 00:19:25,580 --> 00:19:27,770 We want a dig our hole at least twice it. 181 00:19:27,770 --> 00:19:36,110 We want a two foot diameter hole to start because that loosens up the soil, and it's going to allow the root to grow into that soil. 182 00:19:36,110 --> 00:19:43,770 Other, you know, if you don't, if you just make the. The whole exact diameter of the root ball. 183 00:19:43,770 --> 00:19:46,560 The tree is, in many cases, not going to grow out into that, 184 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:52,760 it's just the roots are going to circle around and they'll live there for three or four or five years and then all of a sudden it just dies. 185 00:19:52,760 --> 00:20:01,260 So again, we want to we want to prepare the ground, make a bigger hole than what we have the container or the root ball in. 186 00:20:01,260 --> 00:20:06,690 And then what I usually like to do is I'll take in the middle of that hole right in the middle, 187 00:20:06,690 --> 00:20:12,120 I'll build me a cone up and that will allow those roots to kinda a place to set 188 00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:18,390 So you'll set them on that cone. Spread them out where they're where they're more or less evenly spaced. 189 00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:22,110 And then we'll we'll fill in. 190 00:20:22,110 --> 00:20:24,540 And and during this time, 191 00:20:24,540 --> 00:20:32,370 you want to make sure that you don't have the roots exposed to the air because that kills more trees and anything young trees is, 192 00:20:32,370 --> 00:20:38,550 you know, you pull them out of the bag or you put them out of the container. Knock all the soil off and set them out there. 193 00:20:38,550 --> 00:20:42,280 And an hour later, you finally get your hole dug. 194 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,850 Well, that tree may be dead by the time you put it in the ground, 195 00:20:44,850 --> 00:20:54,360 so you want to make sure that those roots don't dry out and don't don't stay out in the sun, you know, get them in the ground as quick as you can. 196 00:20:54,360 --> 00:21:02,310 Dig the hole first and then come back and take it out of the bag or out of the container and put it in the ground. 197 00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:07,650 Put this all back down, and you really want to plant them just a little bit shallower than what they came, 198 00:21:07,650 --> 00:21:11,880 you can kind of see where that is out in that in that container. 199 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,040 And you want to plan it just a little bit shallower. 200 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:19,710 Most people make the mistake of planning on deeper thinking that they'll grow out more roots and stuff. 201 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:26,070 But usually what happens is, is you're putting soil around the trunk, and that's not a good thing. 202 00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:32,100 You don't want a lot of extra soil around a truck because that that inhibits some of the function of the tree. 203 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:39,000 So plan on this to enter to shallower than what they came and water them as soon as you get it into ground, 204 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:47,040 water it and for the rest of the year, you know, at least once a week, they needed about an inch of water. 205 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,730 And if we have rain, that's fine. But if we don't have, we have a week. 206 00:21:50,730 --> 00:21:55,420 We don't have rain, then you need to be watering them. 207 00:21:55,420 --> 00:22:03,330 You know, what about I was thinking while you're talking there, what about if somebody has a tree that they, you know, 208 00:22:03,330 --> 00:22:10,570 that they've seen somewhere on their property and they want to transplant it, you know, to their yard or something like that? 209 00:22:10,570 --> 00:22:16,870 Can they be successful with that? And I know my mom for years, she wanted it. 210 00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:20,230 She just she wanted a dogwood so bad in her yard. 211 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:26,770 But if you think about dogwoods, she was never successful with that because Dogwood is really an understory tree. 212 00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:31,670 You know, in its native setting, so it it never worked well in the full sun in the yard. 213 00:22:31,670 --> 00:22:43,120 So can you be successful with transplanting a tree from one part of your property to your yard or somewhere where you want some shade at? 214 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:50,050 Yeah, that I mean, I've seen the same thing and have, you know, I don't know how many hundreds of dogwoods I've looked at, 215 00:22:50,050 --> 00:22:55,720 or maybe thousands of dogswoods I've looked at in my career that that homeowners homeowners wanted in the middle of the yard. 216 00:22:55,720 --> 00:23:02,200 But yeah, to get back to that point, you can. You can be successful. 217 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:03,790 The tree needs to be small. 218 00:23:03,790 --> 00:23:11,830 You know, you're not going to dig up a four inch diameter oak tree that's in understory and bring it out and put it in your center, 219 00:23:11,830 --> 00:23:16,270 your bare yard with no other shade and be successful. 220 00:23:16,270 --> 00:23:21,700 So if you can find a tree that's that's grown in the open, you know it. 221 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:27,010 It's naturally growing out in a field or edge of a field, and it's getting full sun. 222 00:23:27,010 --> 00:23:32,010 You're more likely that tree's not going to be stressed near as much, but again. 223 00:23:32,010 --> 00:23:36,900 The smaller the trade, the better, if it's ten foot tall, you're not going to get it, 224 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:41,640 if it's if it's, you know, two foot tall, you have a pretty good chance of moving it, 225 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:49,560 but you need to move a lot of soil with it because again, those root systems are going to extend two or three times half of the tree. 226 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,010 So you would want to, you know, if you've got a two foot tall tree, 227 00:23:53,010 --> 00:23:57,880 you would probably want it, you know, at least a two foot diameter root ball to dig up. 228 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:04,140 So again, can you do that? That's that's one of those things, if you can do that, yeah. 229 00:24:04,140 --> 00:24:08,850 Again, when you moving trees like that, you need to have the hole prepared ahead of time. 230 00:24:08,850 --> 00:24:14,160 Take it in there, set it down add soil back. 231 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,400 And we really did cover that. But you don't want to add any soil amendments. 232 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:26,130 You know, don't don't add compost into the into the hole and don't put fertilizer or something like that in there on any a tree. 233 00:24:26,130 --> 00:24:30,790 The first the first couple of years, just you just want that tree to put out roots. 234 00:24:30,790 --> 00:24:36,870 You're not trying to fertilize it. You're not trying to make it, you know, grow apples the first year or anything like that. 235 00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:41,160 So you can you can move some of those trees. 236 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,880 But again, like you said, keep in mind the growth habit of the tree. 237 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:52,890 Everybody wants that beautiful dogwood in the middle of the, you know, that's the only tree, the specimen tree that they have in their front yard. 238 00:24:52,890 --> 00:24:59,040 but dogwoods don't grow that way. If you if you see where they grow in nature, they're in understory tree, they like shade. 239 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:06,900 So if you've got a shaded yard, you can probably put a dogwood there. But if you've got a bare yard, dogwoods are not going to be successful. 240 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:11,880 They may live. Sometimes they live three or four years, but you know, they're not happy there. 241 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:18,270 That's not where they want to be. So there's the trees that will tolerate for shade that have white flowers. 242 00:25:18,270 --> 00:25:26,070 So that that's one of those things. You can do a little research, look on an website and get something that will meet that site. 243 00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:31,950 But dogwood is not a good, open growing tree. It needs to be in any understory. 244 00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:39,060 So there are other trees that are like that, too. So again, look up the growth habit of the tree, look for the trees, grow it again. 245 00:25:39,060 --> 00:25:42,780 If it's growing in understory, it's not going to be very happy. 246 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:47,850 If you put it out in the middle of the shade, I mean a middle of an open yard and it gets full sun. 247 00:25:47,850 --> 00:26:00,230 The Sun is going to really going to really work on it. So. You know, just one more thing, Carol, on that topic is. 248 00:26:00,230 --> 00:26:06,470 I would stress is don't be afraid to bare root trees, like you say, if they're handled properly, 249 00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:12,470 I see them do as good or better than a lot of those container trees in the long run. 250 00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:14,450 Oh yeah, I certainly agree. 251 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:23,570 I mean, I plant, you know, a lot of fruit trees and things around around my farm and and I almost invariably buy a bare root tree. 252 00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:29,180 I mean, a lot of times it's because you can't, you know, if you own a certain variety of Apple, 253 00:26:29,180 --> 00:26:33,740 you may like go down to the local feed store and get that variety of apples. 254 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:38,870 So you may have known. That's true. And again, those those trees come shipped to you. 255 00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:49,820 In most cases they have. They have some type of of medium that goes around kind of keeps the roots moist and they're wrapped in in plastic bags. 256 00:26:49,820 --> 00:26:53,330 And it's don't, you know, try to have your trees. 257 00:26:53,330 --> 00:27:01,070 It come when you're ready for them. You know, you don't want to order a tree and then put it out in your garage for three or four weeks. 258 00:27:01,070 --> 00:27:09,120 You know, soon as you get them that day or the next day, put them in the ground, but again, bare root trees. 259 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:14,190 That's invariably what I plant, and I have very good success with them. 260 00:27:14,190 --> 00:27:23,310 And again, a bare tree, if it's planted right, it never knows that it's moved, you know, it hits the ground running. 261 00:27:23,310 --> 00:27:28,170 Sometimes our container trees, they're shocked because we take them out of it, 262 00:27:28,170 --> 00:27:31,050 you know, out of that container, put them in the ground so they may stand there. 263 00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:36,250 The first year where a lot of times the bear fruit trees, they just take off and the balled and burlaped 264 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:42,060 If you get to that point, they're very bad about not doing anything above ground the first year, 265 00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:47,220 you know, they're trying to reestablish, you know, those 50 foot roots that you cut off of them. 266 00:27:47,220 --> 00:27:51,090 So they're just, you know, if you can just get them to live the first year or two 267 00:27:51,090 --> 00:27:59,280 that's all you're looking for them on some of the containers in the balled and burlap trees where the bare root trees again their smaller trees, 268 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,060 but they can't hit the ground running and they never slow up. So. 269 00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:07,100 That's what my preference is, 270 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:16,850 is from the cost and ease of planting and also the the varieties that you can get are much more available, the more in the bare trees. 271 00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:25,490 You know, another thing on that as far as planting is, I always tell everybody wants to fertilize their trees when they plant them. 272 00:28:25,490 --> 00:28:32,360 And, you know, we just don't want to do that. And I believe that water is very important. 273 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:37,520 I think, you know, maybe more than anything is that water goes through there right away and kind of helps 274 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:44,240 settle that dart around those roots that eliminates that air pockets to as much as water, 275 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:52,580 you know? Yeah, that's right, Shaun. You know, we want to, you know, can't overstress that water needs the most important thing. 276 00:28:52,580 --> 00:29:00,710 And having that hole prepared, you know, dig a bigger hole out than what the root ball is, but again, put that same dirt back in there. 277 00:29:00,710 --> 00:29:04,160 Don't don't bring in a bunch of compost in and fertilize. 278 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:08,210 You never fertilize a tree in the hole to start with, 279 00:29:08,210 --> 00:29:14,570 but don't don't bring in a bunch of really good soil because what you're doing is creating an environment that the tree roots are happy. 280 00:29:14,570 --> 00:29:19,610 They are. They don't want to move out into this a rough clay soil that we have, so they won't spread. 281 00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:23,360 And you're just about planting in a bowl, you know? 282 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,970 And so they're happy there. But again, they're going to outgrow that, that good soil that you've put there. 283 00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:37,670 And if they're not spreading out into the surrounding soil, then they're susceptible to being blown over in the wind and things like that. 284 00:29:37,670 --> 00:29:43,850 But again, for for the first couple of years, I would recommend any fertilization at all. 285 00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:46,040 All I would recommend is watering. 286 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,720 And then after that, if you want to put a little bit of fertilizer on them, we usually recommend like one pound per inch in diameter. 287 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,850 So if you have a two inch tree, that's there's going to be two pounds of fertilizer, you know, that's very little. 288 00:29:58,850 --> 00:30:03,740 And you really want to spread that out away from the trunk. You don't want any. 289 00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:07,530 You don't want anything affecting the trunk. You don't want to put dirt around the trunk. 290 00:30:07,530 --> 00:30:15,710 You don't want to mulch around the trunk. You want to have that that trunk or that tree free because there's a lot of gas exchange and a lot 291 00:30:15,710 --> 00:30:23,450 of things that take place there that if you if you pile them out to it or add more dirt to it, 292 00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:30,440 the trees aren't going to be happy and unhappy trees usually don't last too long. 293 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:38,090 That's a good point. You know, one of the next things on the list was mulching and kind of hit on it just a little bit there, 294 00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:43,100 but is it a good thing to mulch a tree, you know, soon after you plant it? 295 00:30:43,100 --> 00:30:49,460 And if you do. You talked about not getting it up to the base and call that volcano mulching. 296 00:30:49,460 --> 00:30:53,690 What's the proper technique to to mulch a tree. mulching is good. 297 00:30:53,690 --> 00:31:01,910 I mean, mulching keeps the ground, you know, it keeps moisture in the ground, and it's a good thing keeps the roots cool. 298 00:31:01,910 --> 00:31:04,670 But again, we don't want that mulch up next to the tree. 299 00:31:04,670 --> 00:31:14,120 So if you're mulching because you don't want to be battling the grass, then you probably need to put down some type of weed barrier, 300 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,080 you know, around the tree, some type of fabric to prevent the grass from coming up. 301 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:26,360 But don't use the mulch for that purpose. Use the mulch to keep the tree cool and keep the moisture in the ground. 302 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:34,170 But again, if if you're mulching right up next to the tree and I've seen it, you know, a lot of places have seen a lot of landscapers do it. 303 00:31:34,170 --> 00:31:36,900 You know, that's going to cause problems. 304 00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:44,630 And one of the things that happens is if you put six inches of mulch up next to the bark of that tree, in many cases, it'll put roots out. 305 00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:49,250 It'll start growing new roots and they're in that mulch and you know what mulch did. 306 00:31:49,250 --> 00:31:53,150 It breaks down as soon as we start putting it out there it starts breaking down. 307 00:31:53,150 --> 00:32:01,400 So if you don't keep adding mulch to it in six months or or a year, the mulch is down to two inches, 308 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,550 you know, but those roots are sticking out there for inches above ground and so that they're going to die. 309 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:17,510 And again, there's a lot of a lot of things that take place right at that ground level of that tree that if you put mulch on 310 00:32:17,510 --> 00:32:25,010 or add too much dirt to is going to affect the tree and it's going to impair the tree from from growing properly. 311 00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:33,050 So again, mulch is a good thing. Sometimes in our flowerbeds or things like that, we use most prevent grass and weeds. 312 00:32:33,050 --> 00:32:39,950 But in this case, you can't prevent that grass and weeds from growing up next to the tree with mulch. 313 00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:41,930 You're going to have to do something else, you know, 314 00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:51,590 either come in and hand weed it or put down some type of of weed barrier fabric to keep the grass and stuff growing from growing up. 315 00:32:51,590 --> 00:32:57,480 But again, we can't we don't want that mulch next to our tree trunks. 316 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:03,930 Well, that's a good place to end it there on our second in this series on tree care and maintenance. 317 00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:06,240 We appreciate Carol being here again with us today. 318 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:14,910 He'll be back with us for our third episode in this series, or we'll discuss common tree problems, insects, diseases and that sort of thing. 319 00:33:14,910 --> 00:33:23,670 In the meantime, I do encourage you to visit our website, which is www.uaex.uada.edu 320 00:33:23,670 --> 00:33:27,690 There we've posted a lot of great resources on tree pruning. 321 00:33:27,690 --> 00:33:32,550 Planting, just general tree care and maintenance I'd encourage you lot of great information. 322 00:33:32,550 --> 00:33:40,770 I would encourage you to check that out. Until next time on around the Homestead podcast, we'll see you around the farm. 323 00:33:40,770 --> 00:33:46,890 We hope you enjoyed this episode of Around the Homestead podcast to learn more about today's topic. 324 00:33:46,890 --> 00:33:53,010 Be sure to visit our website at uaex.uada.edu 325 00:33:53,010 --> 00:35:14,341 Be sure to join us next time on around the Homestead podcast.